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Старый 31.08.2010, 12:56   #1
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Women Explained Part II:
This is the follow-up post I promised in 'Women Explained' way back when.
THE BASIC PRINCIPLE:
ASD is a system of healthy social reflexes.
More specifically, ASD is a semiconscious calculator that evaluates social situations in terms of net loss or net gain.
HEALTHY SOCIAL REFLEXES
Healthy social reflexes exist to preserve the following:
-Self-concept
-Social Status
-Emotional State
THE CARDINAL RULE:
ASD is evaluated against the following standard. If and only if both of these conditions are true does ASD become a problem:
-You intend to fuck her in a manner outside the socially-acceptable norm
-she agrees to go along with it
You don't have to declare your intentions out loud. She doesn't have to declare her acceptance out loud. But each of these ideas must hit a certain critical mass threshhold of obviousness.
Does it seem like there's a glaring flaw in this logic? Something, maybe, that isn't covered by the ASD conditions?
If your first thought was, "It doesn't say she can't actually sleep with you", you're totally on target. Sex is fun, and totally necessary for the survival of the human race, and so social convention can't preclude it completely.
Thus there is an escape hatch on the ASD conditions: Plausible Deniability.
If one of these conditions, or the other, may plausibly not be true - i.e. if there is plausible deniability of a mutual understanding that you and she will be fucking - you have Plausible Fucking Deniability.
ON COGNIZANCE
To touch back on the question of indirect and direct and whether girls realize you're trying to lay them - well, yes and no.
Girls are socially intelligent.
Actually, guys are socially intelligent too but, as a general rule, they lack the trust and emphasis that girls place on this kind of awareness.
'Social intelligence' is kind of a misnomer; though rational calculations are going on in socially intelligent people, these are fast and complex and well below the level of conscious thought. A good analogy might be the calculations that, for instance, let you determine an object's flight trajectory based on slight differences in the field of perception of your binocular eyes: people don't ask you to explain them, which is good, because you probably can't.
So. She is aware of your signals of interest, but this is an awareness that floats below the level of conscious thought, understood but never really recognized. Like the things your eyes see, the things her social intelligence perceive are not absolute and inviolate; moreso, perhaps, because social perception isn't as recognized and respected as physical perception.
Her awareness of your intent (or of her own compliance), should you go in indirect and do it right, floats somewhere below the level of conscious thought.
I cannot stress enough: Don't Fuck With This. This makes it possible for girls to have sex with you from a position of social and emotional comfort .
This is what defines Plausible Fucking Deniability.
This system stands regardless of how wily your girl is; if she's genuinely inexperienced she may believe, on all levels except the most basic, that you are totally on the up-and-up, nothing going on here, nope, you're just a really cool guy who she wants to spend as much time with as she possibly can, and get closer and closer to until oh gosh! is that your tongue in her mouth? and so on.
As girls get more experienced and more attracted they become less likely to fuck up your game accidentally; this is because they come to understand the -unspoken pact- that makes sex possible, a conspiracy of silence between you the dick-er and your girl the dick-ee.
This can only ever be subcommunicated - never spoken outright - because on all levels, plausible deniability must be maintained or the whole system breaks down.
PLAUSIBLE FUCKING DENIABILITY (PFD)
There are a limited number of scenarios in which Plausible Deniability can be maintained - laid out roughly as follows -
-she's not going to let you fuck her
Open. Bitch shield. She has established her lack of intent.
Or, she drops a comment about her boyfriend mid-conversation. Or whatever else. More on shit-tests later.
-you're not trying to fuck her
Indirect opener. You create plausible deniability for YOUR intent.
She can relax a little. You are in this with her. You are helping her get laid at low (social, emotional) risk, one step at a time.
-she'll let you fuck her, but in a socially acceptable way
There is no net loss to being seen with you or having sex with you, as long as the ASD conditions are not violated. There is even some kind of net gain. This is what you get if you're cool, but you've fucked up your deniability and made it impossible for her to keep hers. Or if you're a 'nice guy', and you don't know how to create deniability but have some redeeming features.
Dinner? Movie? Third date?
-letting you fuck her is a -net win-
Somewhat problematic. Typically this involves one of two scenarios:
Validation NET WIN:
She feels lonely! She feels ugly! You have made her doubt her prettiness! Is she still attractive? Your validation of her is the litmus test. Unfortunately, you putting a move on her is often as validating as you putting your penis in her.
Status NET WIN:
Somewhat less risky, I would nevertheless not describe this as a goal to be counted on so much as an eventuality you should relax and enjoy if and when it happens.
You are so socially valuable that she will - nay, MUST - have you. Your monstrous social net win is worth a little rainbow-chasing to get. What's a little sex between friends?
I say not to worry about this mostly because, while it's not out of the average ASFer's reach, by the time you are able to achieve this level of social value you will - barring freak accidents - already be in the habit of maintaining some kind of plausible deniability, on her end or yours.
Irregardless, this will not work if you don't qualify , because her receiving social value from you is dependent on you recognizing her worth; moreover, she will probably try to make you her boyfriend. "We could be a power couple" appeals to this instinct.
That or you're a rockstar, or something.
-you are her prey
It is possible, through active disinterest and frame reversals, to create a situation in which the girl is hunting you; under these circumstances most of her 'normal' social reflexes are simply rendered null by the sheer Alice-in-wonderland bassackwordity of the situation.
Unfortunately, as soon as you let her 'catch' you and go to escalate, floor and ceiling are righted and the whole situation can go "Code red! What am I doing?", but - I understand - there are ways of dealing with this.
Ask a PUA.
-she will let you fuck her because it's okay tonight
Under select circumstances, the ASD conditions can be rendered null and void. Any situation you have heard a chick describe with the terms "It doesn't count" falls under this category. Examples include:
She just broke up with her boyfriend
Her boyfriend just broke up with her
She is a groupie
It's been a year since she got laid
She's behind her girlfriends in experience
You are gay
She's 'drunk'
The hookup is with another girl
Et cetera. Et cetera. This is 'Fool's Mate'.
DIVERGENCE AND CORRECTION: SHIT TESTS
-the nature of attraction
Because womens' attraction must be sublimated below the level of conscious awareness in order for the plausible deniability system to have any prayer of ending in a lay, women aren't necessarily aware of their own attraction as a sexual thing. When a woman is attracted to you, she feels it as a fascination - even a compulsion - that doesn't necessarily involve any direct thoughts of sex; this is not to say that it has nothing to do with sex, or that she doesn't want sex, simply that practical necessity requires her to cram that undercurrent of sexuality down below the level of conscious thought.
The common male misconception that women don't want sex is a result of men buying into the lies that women tell themselves.
-points of critical mass
So you're gaming some girl. Your attract game is 100% on, you've got it - whatever 'it' is - you are so hot that drinks are turning to steam when you walk near them. You are doing the kind of hot, dirty things to the inside of her mind that you would like to be doing to the inside of her body.
What happens?
Pressure. Dissonance. Urges rise to the surface from her semi-conscious mind, from a dark animal arena of want and she is desperate. For sex. With you. And yet, these urges can't acceptably involve sex. So what does she want?
She wants to get closer to you. And then she wants to get even closer. And she wants you to pay attention to her. And she wants you to touch her.
And yet, as this momentum of compliance builds, so does the pressure. Because every step closer to you, every escalation, is a subcommunication that she just may have accepted your intention to fuck her.
Before your very eyes, if you dig the whole Freudian shtick, you are watching the battle of superego versus id.
ASD alarms go off. Red lights flash. Her system - the system that balances net gain against net loss - is out of balance. She rationalizes as hard as she can and still - STILL - she hits a point where the subcommunication that the ASD conditions are being violated hits -critical mass-.
And what then?
Well, then it's time to correct course.
-points of correction: SHIT TESTS
If a social situation seems to be rolling out of control, into territory that is not covered by any contingency on the list above but for some reason she is unwilling to eject, a girl must take CORRECTIVE MEASURES to maintain plausible deniability:
In other words, shit tests .
The exact nature of the shit test in question depends on social factors too numerous and complex to lay out, assuming I could explain, but may be something along the lines of the following:
"So my boyfriend says that... blah blah blah"
"I know what you're doing"
"I'm not going to sleep with you."
"Are you a player?"
Et cetera. Et cetera.
What you are supposed to understand, as a player, is that these shit tests have nothing to do with you. These are purely a barometer of the forces at work -inside- her head; like a tea kettle whistling as it lets off steam, they are the product of a natural process.
She is taking steps - socially reflexive steps - to maintain internal equilibrium. This involves maintaining plausible deniability by subcommmunicating (or outright stating, if you've thrown her off that badly) that one or both of the ASD conditions are NOT true; she's aware of your intent, she's not going to fuck you, or what have you. It may look like she's making some kind of direct or indirect statement about whether she'll have sex with you, but in fact what she's saying is, "I am a woman and my system is out of whack and saying this - by indicating to you that I do not have unacceptable intentions - will make me feel better."
The reason you can fail shit tests is because when you try to deal with them 'rationally', as though they were an effort at communication and not an emotionally corrective measure, you light up a big neon sign over your head that says "I DO NOT KNOW THE SCORE". Suddenly, it is no longer a conspiracy of silence between you and a girl. Instead of a socially intelligent kind of guy, you are some jerk who managed to get into the clubhouse by accidentally guessing the secret word.
Don't be that guy.
Make it a conspiracy, instead; a conspiracy between you and your girl. Hide her from her inhibitions, and your rewards will be many and hot.
Be the man.
She's not going to.
-Hitori
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Прошу помощи в переводе этой статьи !
Перевод происходит по адресу
http://notabenoid.com/book/10710/
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Прошу помощи в переводе этой статьи !
Перевод происходит по адресу
http://notabenoid.com/book/10710/
Вот корявый перевод этой статьи, можете им руководствоваться и подглядывать, но очень прошу не передирайте все от корки до корки, так как перевод очень плох и не связан во многих местах, особенно таких как "Цели критической массы", сделайте на ура и я наконец-то добью Revelation.

P.S. Архив закодирован, пароль вышлю Sapr`у в личку. Удачи.
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Если все же смогу починить свое железо к выходным - постараюсь помочь с переводом
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Много вы конечно перевели...
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Так-с, появилось свободное время, поэтому возьмусь за перевод, спасибо за приглашение (ник: drden). Особенно будет приятно, если появится полностью переведённый Revelation.
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Появится, эту статью переведите, сами видите что там наворочено...
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Текст тяжеленький, переведу всё, что пойму, а дальше понадобиться помощь.
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Текст тяжеленький, переведу всё, что пойму, а дальше понадобиться помощь.
Он не просто тяжеленький, он тяжелющищий!

Я там смотрю понапереводили уже... Не "правдоподобное отрицание" а "правдоподобное оправдание".

" Вы намерены трахнуть её образом вне социально-приемлемых норм." - это как? В ...опу?

Ребята думайте, что пишите, так и я могу копи паст с промта или гулгла..., не получалось, вот ищу кто может перевести. Текст тяжел тем что тут нужно логически мыслить что хотел сказать автор в этой игре слов, а не просто передрать с английского не русский.
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Да, действительно, текст занимательный )) Благо есть некоторые подобные навыки, главное найти время на спокойное понимание сути текста, остальное сложится само...надеюсь )
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